Alcohol in the Bible: Part One (The Old Testament)

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” This quote, uttered by Benjamin Franklin, is closer to the mark than most Christians may realize. Growing up in a fairly conservative evangelical tradition (albeit in Las Vegas!), I was basically raised to believe that alcohol was evil. Period. The Bible was clear on the issue, I was told. Yet, as the grip of dispensational fundamentalism began to loosen on my thinking as I matured in the faith, the role of alcohol in the Bible began to appear entirely foreign compared to how I had been raised to think. Furthermore, I soon realized that my prejudice against alcohol was a particularly American one. Christians in Europe and the UK are simply not influenced by the same cultural stigma. For instance, the ‘pub culture’ beyond the pond is so pervasive that it would be normal for church members to visit the pub together after a Sunday service rather than the rebellious exception. Although this would not fly for most congregations in America, it meets no condemnation from the Bible. The biblical assessment of alcohol appears, at least to this writer, to be overwhelmingly positive. Granted, the Bible remains silent on beer and other alcoholic drinks (and I for one prefer craft beer to wine), but there is a clear principle that emerges: Don’t Get Drunk! This first installment on alcohol in the Bible will focus on the OT with a subsequent entry on the NT to follow next week.

At its most basic level, wine is a symbol of joy in the OT (Ps 4.7; 104.15; Ecc 10.19). In the Song of Songs, wine-related imagery is used as part of sexual expression (Song 1.2, 4; 4.10; 5.1; 7.2, 9; 8.2). All the distractions that threaten intimacy (‘the foxes’) are to be kept clear of the ‘vineyard’ (Song 2.15). A further element of the symbolism in the OT, is that Israel herself is even described as God’s vineyard (Ps 80.8, 14; Isa 5.1-5, 7; Jer 2.21; 12.10; Ho 10.1).

Yet when alcohol is abused it can lead to terrible consequences (cf. the drunkenness of Noah and Lot in Gen 9.20-29; 19.30-38). Drunkards are consistently portrayed as fools who stagger and engage in bad behavior (Deut 21.20; 32.30-33; Jdg 12.25; 1 Sam 1.13-15; Ps 60.3; 69.12; 107.27; Prov 26.9-10; Ecc 10.17; Isa 5.11-12, 22; 19.14; 22.12-14; 24.20; 56.9-12; Jer 23.9; Ezek 23.42; Ho 4.10-11; Am 2.8; 6.6; Nah 1.10; 3.11; Hab 2.5, 15-16). Many kings and warriors were also duped into defeat while intoxicated (1 Sam 25.36-38; 2 Sam 11.13; 13.28-29; 1 Kgs 16.8-10; 20.16-21; Dan 5.1-4, 23). This is perhaps why the OT uses imagery of drunkenness to describe God’s wrath against the unrighteous, since swift judgment will come upon those who do not expect it (Ps 75.6-8; 78.65; Isa 29.1-10; 49.26; 51.17, 21; 63.3, 6; 65.11-12; Jer 13.12-14; 25.15, 27; 48.26; 51.7, 39, 57; Lam 1.15; 4.21-22; Ezek 23.33; 39.19; Joel 3.1-3, 13; Obad 16; Mic 2.11).

There are also a few instances where abstinence from alcohol is described. Yet, contextually it is quite clear that these prohibitions are not normative, but are for a particular task. This applies to priests while participating in the cultic worship of Israel (Lev 10.8-9; Ezek 44.21). Likewise, the Nazarites while taking the vow of separation were to abstain from wine (Num 6.1-4; Am 2.12), yet they could enjoy wine upon completing the vow (Num 6.20). While Samson’s mother was pregnant she was charged not to drink wine (Jdg 13.4, 7, 14). Treading the wine-press and bringing wine into Jerusalem was prohibited on the Sabbath (Neh 13.15-18). Interestingly, the Rechabites were tested with drinking wine, but they abstained because their father commanded them not to, along with other things, like owning a house (Jer 35.1-19). Daniel chose to abstain from wine and meat while in exile in order to make a theological point to the Babylonians (Dan 1.5, 8, 15-16). Lastly, while Daniel was mourning he fasted from wine and other delicacies for three weeks (Dan 10.3).

Essentially, the OT teaching regarding the consumption of alcohol is that it is normal and acceptable as long as it does not lead to a characteristic lifestyle of drunkenness. This tension between the abuse and proper use is nowhere more clearly demonstrated than in Israel’s ‘Wisdom Literature,’ which reflects the same tension in regards to gluttony, slothfulness, and wealth. One very instructive passage in this regard warns that one should avoid the company of ‘drunkards and gluttons’ (Prov 23.20). The pairing here suggests that we are dealing with over-indulgence, not mere usage. Thus, we will find Wisdom texts which speak against the abuse of alcohol: ‘Whoever is lead astray by wine or strong drink is not wise’ (Prov 20.1), and those who ‘tarry long over wine’ will see strange things and utter perverse things (Prov 23.30-35), and lastly, that the wicked drink ‘the wine of violence’ (Prov 4.17). Yet, if one honors the Lord, there will be an abundance of grain and wine (Prov 3.9-10). Furthermore, Wisdom herself is personified as one who summons fools to come to her and partake of her bread and wine (Prov 9.1-6) as opposed to fellowshipping with ‘Folly’ (Prov 9.13-18). Interestingly, at the end of Proverbs we see an element of shrewdness when it comes to alcohol, but nothing close to prohibition. King Lemuel was taught by his mother to be leery of the effect of alcohol on kingly judgments (Prov 31.4-5), yet he is to give strong drink and wine to the poor and those perishing (Prov 31.6). And what’s more, every evangelical’s ideal woman (the Prov 31 woman) is herself a Wine-O (Prov 31.16).

One last note on Wisdom Literature comes from Ecclesiastes. In this book, wine is coupled along with many other things considered vanity ‘under the sun’ (Ecc 2.1-11). Of course, the problem of vanity in Ecclesiastes is that a ‘Beyond the Sun’ perspective needs to be re-cultivated so that everything is in its proper alignment with God at the center. In fact, Ecclesiastes never states that alcohol is inherently bad, but rather the opposite (Ecc 9.7).

There are also many casual references to wine throughout the OT with little evaluation made (Gen 27.25; Deut 14.26; Judg 19.19; Ruth 2.14; 3.7; 1 Sam 10.3; 16.20; 25.18; 2 Sam 16.1-2; 1 Chr 12.40; 27.27; 2 Chr 2.10, 15; 11.11; 32.28; Neh 5.1-13, 18; Esther 1.7, 10; 5.6; 7.2, 8; Job 1.13-18; 32.19; Ps 69.21; Ezek 27.17, 19; Ho 2.12). The nonchalant nature of many of these passages points to the role of wine in the fabric of every-day life for ancient Israel.

Wine and strong drinks were often used as part of libations and drink offerings done in the Tabernacle and the Temple (Ex 29.40; Lev 23.13; Num 15.5, 7, 10; 18.12; 28.7, 14; Deut 12.17; 14.23; 18.4; 1 Sam 1.24; 1 Chr 9.29; 31.5; Ezra 6.9; 7.21-24; Neh 10.37, 39; Neh 13.5, 12). Interestingly, when the Law was read after the exile, Nehemiah commanded the people to eat fat and drink wine because it was a holy day to the Lord (Neh 8.10). One wonders why God would prescribe the use of alcoholic beverages in these ways if they were inherently evil. As Jotham said in his parable regarding Abimelech in Judg 9.13, wine ‘cheers God and men’ (which, in relation to God, is most naturally understood in the cultic sense as a reference to drink offerings).

Within the covenantal structure of Israel, there would be blessing for obedience and curses for disobedience. What is most striking about the contrast is that the presence and abundance of wine is associated with the blessings of the covenant (Deut 7.13; 11.14; 32.10-14; 33.28; 2 Kgs 18.32; Isa 36.17; Jer 40.10-12; Ho 2.8), and the corollary is that there would be a lack of wine as part of the curses of the covenant (Deut 28.39, 51; 29.6; Isa 1.22; 16.10; 24.1-13; Jer 48.33; Lam 2.12; Ho 2.9, 22; 7.5, 14; 9.2, 4; Joel 1.5-7, 10; Am 5.11, 17; Mic 6.15; Zeph 1.13; Hag 1.11; 2.14-17). The blessing of wine is even included in some of the Patriarchal blessings (Gen 27.28, 37; 49.8-12). Bread and wine were also present when the priest-king Melchizidek blessed Abram (Gen 14.8).

Perhaps the most intriguing element of the OT regarding alcohol, which provides a fitting conclusion to this post, is the abundance of wine that is depicted in the eschatological era when God restores Israel and all creation (Isa 25.6; 62.6-9; 65.8, 21; Jer 31.5, 12; 32.15; Ezek 28.26; Ho 14.7; Joel 2.19; Zech 9.14-17; 10.4-7). Israel is summoned by God to ‘come and buy wine and milk without money’ as a portrait of the eschatological era of salvation and covenant renewal (Isa 55.1). In this time, vats will burst forth with new wine (Joel 2.24), and the mountains will be dripping with sweet wine (Joel 3.18; Amos 9.13-14). For an agricultural society, such as Israel, the impact of these images would not have been lost. Certainly the use of this imagery is meant to convey that there will be an abundance of resources in the eschaton as well as immeasurable joy, but we should not stop there. These texts convey implicitly the value of alcohol in God’s economy, when used properly, of course.

 

 

John Anthony Dunne

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45 responses to “Alcohol in the Bible: Part One (The Old Testament)”

  1. I also grew up with the same mindset of, “Drinking is bad, and you are disobeying God if you drink it, or even look at it!” To be honest, I still have some of those feelings, but I thought your blog was informative and was backed-up with a ton of scripture. Thank you for broadening my close-minded thinking, John!

  2. “Proverbs 31 woman is a wine-o” – Ha! I never thought about that.

    This was a very thought provoking blog. It made me think about how sinners throughout time have to ruin so many things that God made to be good – sex, food, alcohol…

    I look forward to reading the NT part.

  3. Is a certain type of beer more biblical than another? What Would Jesus Drink?

  4. Jeremiah

    Not to be contrary or anything, but I don’t think the Bible is clearly opposed to drunkenness. There are undeniably many places where habitual drunkenness is spoken against, but there are explicit and implicit positive references to drunkenness as well. If you continue on in the advice to Lemuel that he should give alcohol to the poor and suffering people, it says in verse 7 ” let them drink and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more.”(NRS) I’m sorry, but you don’t forget that you are poor after your one glass of wine before bed. I’m sure you will get to it in your next post, but the wedding of Cana story only makes sense if people are too intoxicated to tell the difference between good wine and crappy wine.

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      JB, thanks for this comment. I will definitely have more to say about the Wedding at Cana in my next post. As for drunkenness, my thoughts on the matter are similar to yours actually. I hinted at that fact without explicitly stating that the Bible speaks against habitual drunkenness as opposed to isolated events. I think that there may be certain contexts where drinking a bit more than you usually would could be appropriate (major celebrations, holidays, weddings, etc). It is interesting to read some of the Rabbinical comments about drinking during the celebration of Purim, for instance!

      1. Jeremiah

        Word. I’ve never been drunk nor do I plan to ever be, but it definitely seems as if the biblical ethics about this sort of thing are far more flexible than Christians have allowed.

  5. Sam Garcia

    Great! I think I’m going to translate this (with the help of google of course) and go through it with my parents. I grew up in an extremely conservative, Pentecostal church and though my parents have loosened up a bit, they still consider alcohol inherently evil.

    Post right above mine: I’m not convinced that the passage related to Lemuel is implying that they forget their poverty and misery *because* of their drinking. Perhaps somebody with some Hebrew chops can illumine this issue?

    And as an aside, it’d be nice to see the names of people who have responded to the post. That way if I need to reply to somebody, I can address them by their user name.

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Sam, glad you found the post helpful. I will have Part Two up next Tuesday on the New Testament. As for the names, they appear on my computer. Not sure why you can’t view them. Thanks for letting us know of the issue though.

  6. Well if we are to take the verse Jeremiah cites as strictly as he apparently wants us to, we would need to read it not only as an endorsement of occasional drunkenness, but also as a prescription for government handouts of alcohol. Or at least we would have the license to start church outreaches to the homeless and the poor in which we try to get them drunk so they can forget how terrible their situation is.

    And doesn’t the Bible say directly–“don’t be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Holy Spirit”? (Eph. 5, I believe.) I am all for drinking in moderation (all for it!), but it seems naively reactionary to start saying that there are implicit endorsements of drunkenness in the Bible.

  7. Matt Rongey

    Great post! Now, if only we could somehow make this mandatory reading for the politicians in Utah.

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Matt, visit Squatters. For Craft: decent, for Utah: excellent!

    2. Jacob Niemi

      Hahahaha!

  8. Dustin Arnold

    I really enjoyed this blog post! It’s nice to see a case being built off of raw scripture (en mass) rather than just speculation and criticism of existing traditions and norms. Unfortunately I think that’s all too often the way it’s done. I’m looking forward to the NT sequel!

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  10. A sober approach (pun totally intended!). Though I was not raised in a fundamentalist or any other kind of Christian home, my early Christian years I believed that alcohol was evil. Not because of Scripture, but because of the church I was a part of and our culture. The problem is not with alcohol, but with a lack of self-control enabled by the Spirit. My seminary does not permit its students to drink alcohol, but when I finish I may just have a beer!

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Jason thanks for your comment. The pun was definitely appreciated! The College and Seminary I attended had similar rules (Biola University & Talbot School of Theology). Certainly, the rules were made within a thick dispensational and fundamentalist ethos, but now the rule regarding alcohol is more of a community agreement. The school is totally fine with students (21 and over) enjoying alcohol while not enrolled. I believe faculty members are permitted to consume alcohol whenever they please (as long as they are not drinking with students). So the tides have changed a tad. I totally understand the reasoning behind my former institution’s rule on alcohol, and in fact, I appreciated our school’s “contract” to some extent. As long as it doesn’t develop into legalism or warp someone’s thinking into viewing alcohol as evil (something sub-biblical) then I think a College environment is a good place to have temporary abstinence (much like some of the temporary prohibitions I mentioned above). By all means enjoy that beer when you’re done and if you need recommendations on good craft beer don’t hesitate to ask!

      1. I go to DTS, so it sounds like our schools have similar roots, though the dispy cloud doesn’t hang as heavy over DTS as it used to. Like BIOLA, DTS doesn’t strictly forbid it in a legalistic sense, but asks that students cooperate with the seminary on this. I’ve not had a beer or alcohol since 1994, so it’s not a problem for me. But I have to admit, those Sam Adams commercials really make me want to try one of their brews! So, what’s your opinion of Sam Adams? I drank all the popular beers way back when, and they all tasted the same. In fact, beers like Budweiser, Coors, etc, are not at all tempting to me.

      2. I meant to include a link to a sermon I heard recently on this issue that was great (comments on guns notwithstanding). It’s by the pastor of Sovereign Grace Fellowship in the New Orleans area. If you have time, check it out here.

        1. John Anthony Dunne

          Jason, I’m glad you don’t find Budweiser or Coors tempting. You shouldn’t. They don’t have a product and their mass marketing schemes demonstrate that. Sam Adams is decent though. I respect them for helping to pave the way for innovative microbreweries all over the country. My favorite brewery is Dogfish Head, so if you ever get a chance to enjoy one of their beers I’d highly recommend it. If you have Netflix, check out the documentary ‘Beer Wars.’ It’s very informative about the post-prohibition Beer monopolies that have developed in America. Also, the website beeradvocate.com is a great place to learn about various styles of beer and to read consumer reviews about different beers.

          And thanks for the link to the sermon. I’ll definitely check that out.

  11. Calvin

    Great post John! The amount of biblical texts you cited was overwhelming. In light of all of it, I think that, when using grape juice in the Lord’s Supper, we’re separating ourselves from the biblical narrative. Of course, there are many other issues at hand, but it is interesting to think about.

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Calvin, I agree with you. If I was an elder at a church I would strongly suggest that the church use wine in the celebration of the Lord’s Supper. Of course, high church traditions still maintain the use of wine, but there are also some Reformed Congregations that do it as well.

      1. Ryan O’Farrell

        John and Calvin, I definitely understand what you both are saying, my question with using wine in Communion though is what about those in the congregation who are recovered alcoholics? I know personally I would not partake of the wine part of communion were there actual wine involved because I would not handle that well. It seems to me that the more important aspect of Communion is the remembrance of what Christ did and participating in that remembrance as a community. That is just how I personally feel though. What are your thoughts John?

        1. Kevin O’Farrell

          Tell ’em brother!!!

        2. John Anthony Dunne

          That is a great point Ryan. You’re probably right. I think Paul’s comments in Romans 14-15 might be helpful for a church that is considering wine or grape juice. We certainly don’t want to cause anyone to stumble and our focus isn’t on the particulars about the elements (gluten-free bread, yeast or no yeast; wine or grape juice) but who those elements direct us towards. This is a really important point, Ryan. Thanks for the reminder.

  12. Sarah Smith

    Hey, John! I was reading the article you linked on facebook this morning, and saw this one written by you, as well. Nicely done! One point I’m not sure about is that “the Bible remains silent on beer and other alcoholic drinks.”

    I haven’t done any serious study myself, but I’ve read a number of articles recently talking about archaeology in Israelite viticulture and brewing. Archaeological evidence for ancient brewing exists, although our modern translations don’t often contain the word “beer”. (I think there are a lot of politics going into that decision, but maybe that’s not helpful to the discussion.) The argument goes that the word we translate as “strong drink” (shekar) can refer to practically any fermented beverage, but is more likely to describe one that is made from grains. Linguistically, the word is likely related to the Babylonian shikaru described in more detail on cuneiform tablets, specifically fermented drink made from grain. That, along with its fairly obvious distinction in some verses from wine, would make me want to translate the word as “beer.”

    The shekar is used 23 times (if blb.org is to be believed). Most of the uses in the OT of shekar seem prohibitive, but one notable exception is Deuteronomy 14:27.

    There are my two cents! Thanks for your research.

    Sarah (that TriGrace person)

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Sarah, thanks for your excellent response! You know, I took an archeology course last semester and we did in fact discuss evidence for primitive beer in the ANE. I personally haven’t done as much study on the use of שׁכר in the OT. I guess part of my reasoning behind the line that you singled out is that I didn’t want readers to make the mistake that the only alcohol that could be permitted (if any) was wine. I think there is an important principle of drunkenness that should guide all our discussions about alcoholic beverages – of whatever flavor or ingredient. But I do appreciate your insightful comment!

  13. kapeka

    Hey,

    thanks for this insights. Nice to see that the strict mindset about alcohol starts to loosen up over the pond. Some of the arguments brought up by anti-alcoholics, like, Jesus has been using grape juice for the last supper etc., were quite hard to endure.

    We here in Germany always had a more open approach to beer etc. Just ask Martin Luther 😉

    But those cautious comments in this thread have their validity. There are some reasons why so many evangelical churches had and still have problems with alcohol in the US (and poland as another example, and even some parts here in Germany). The misuse of alcohol has destroyed whole families and even whole regions. After a spiritual revival those people stayed away from the stuff that has been destroying them and their people. And they have set up rigid fences to help them to stay away from it for ever. This practices distills over time into a law that is unquestioned or defended by strange theological arguments because it has always been that way and no one remembers how this law came into existence anyway.

    It’s always good to know the history behind this kind of developments to understand why we are where we are and why we behave how we behave. Knowledge of your own or someone else’s history will help you to change the course of events and ideologies.

    Keep up your good stuff!

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Kapeka, thanks for reading our blog. I appreciate your comment. I especially appreciate the insight from someone “over the pond” (in the other direction). I will be posting Part 2 on the NT tomorrow and I look forward to more interactions on this issue. My NT post will fill out some of those things you mentioned in relation to Jesus’ view and use of alcohol. I hope you find it helpful. And you’re right: the cautious comments in this thread do have their validity. This is a tricky topic! Hopefully, the discussion will bring clarity to some on the biblical view of alcohol, but of course, whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. So if someone cannot in good conscience drink alcohol, for whatever reason, it is sin (even knowing that the bible offers no condemnation of the mere consumption of alcohol). Thanks for bringing some of these issues up!

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  18. Nathan Ham

    I appreciate that you talked about the dangers of alcohol. Most articles for alcohol consumption do very little to warn of those things. Families and lives have been torn apart by alcohol. However, you don’t talk about the different meanings of the word wine in Hebrew, Greek, and English but seem to assume that every passage that mentions “wine” is always talking about alcoholic wine. Passages like these — De. 11:14; 2 Ch. 31:5; Ne. 13:15; Pr. 3:10; Is. 16:10, 65:8; — show that wine can definitely mean fresh grape juice since that is what presses do while the fermentation happens over time. I feel that studies for alcohol don’t do a good job in that area but always assume wine means alcoholic. One of the verses that showed me that passages on wine making us happy is not always (if at all) talking about alcoholic wine is Zechariah 9:17. In that verse, corn makes the young men cheerful. In a country full of convenience stores, we don’t understand that concept or kind of thinking. When the Bible says “wine” it may or may not be alcoholic wine and you can’t just assume.

    1. John Anthony Dunne

      Nathan, I did not have the time to get into all the gory details (but I’ll have much more to say soon as I am writing on book on this for Zondervan). However, your analysis is incredibly selective and thus your conclusions cannot be taken seriously. Alcohol is present all throughout the Bible. Please read Part Two on the New Testament for the rest of the picture (http://www.thetwocities.com/biblical-studies/alcohol-in-the-bible-part-two-the-new-testament/)

      1. Nathan Ham

        My “incredibly selective” analysis was simply a handful of verses to demonstrate that the word “wine” does not always mean alcoholic. Which is a very important foundational truth when studying the issue of alcohol. If that truth is left out, I feel the study is severely lacking.

        On your part two, you say “However, given that Jesus was considered to be a drunkard (and I’m talking to those with an anti-alcohol bias), what would this mean about Jesus’ personal appropriation of alcohol? At the very minimum, we could not conclude that Jesus abstained from alcohol.”

        I feel that this is faulty reasoning. Jesus was also accused of being born of fornication (John 8:41), lying and deceiving the people (John 7:12), and blasphemy (John 10:33). Does this mean that maybe there is some partial truth in Him being born of fornication? Or that maybe he was lying a little bit?

        I would admit that except for some debatable language in 1 Tim. 3, there is not a clear verse in the church epistles that clearly condemns not just drunkenness but the alcohol itself. Having said that, the above mentioned issues plus the many warnings in the OT suggest to me the issue is not so simple.

        Question for you: can you give me one verse where the word “wine” is clearly alcoholic wine and is approved of and condoned by God? This is an honest question. Out of all the verses I’ve looked up, none of them that approve of “wine” are clearly alcoholic. Given the different usages of the word wine in Scripture, I would really like to know if you have a verse that approves of wine that is clearly alcoholic? (again, this is an honest question, not an accusation)

        1. John Anthony Dunne

          Nathan, you seem to have an a priori starting point that wine in the Bible is non-alcoholic. This is a flawed assumption to begin with and will cause you to reject any evidence that I offer.

          On assuming Jesus is a drunkard: How else can the text be understood? The contrast with John the Baptist (who abstains from alcohol) is incredibly clear. The examples you mention from John are hardly relevant (my comment is not on the nature of misunderstandings generally, but on this particular misunderstanding).

          Your final challenge is a bit odd: so alcohol can be present in negative contexts but not positive ones? This is pretty odd. As a starter, how in the world do you make sense of John 2 and the Wedding at Cana? Only ‘special pleading’ can get one away from the most natural conclusion: jesus made an abundance of strong wine (the “best wine” was saved for last). That to me is abundantly clear, and it’s just one example (per your request).

          1. “Nathan, you seem to have an a priori starting point that wine in the Bible is non-alcoholic.”
            — Actually the very opposite is true. I start with the assumption that wine may or may not be alcoholic and that I need to take the word in the context of the verse and passage it is used in, as well as the context of the entire Bible, rather than bringing my American cultural mindset as an interpreter of the Scriptures. The only thing I have assumed, based upon previous study of verses like those I previously mentioned, is that “wine” sometimes clearly refers to non-fermented grape juice while other times it clearly refers to fermented wine. But there are many passages that are unclear either way.

            It is actually you who seems to (maybe you don’t in reality, but this article sure seemed to) assume “wine” is always alcoholic, therefore it seems to be you who will reject anything I have to say.

            I do appreciate an honest conversation on the subject of alcohol, so I’m not trying to come with a condemning attitude although my writing might come across to you that way (I don’t know if it does?). I just feel that being honest about the different meanings of wine greatly aids in an honest conversation.

          2. John Anthony Dunne

            Nathan, I am not bringing an American mindset to the text. In fact, I’m trying to strip myself of my American post-prohibitionist bias against alcohol in the Bible. What I am trying to regain is a Jewish view of alcohol (as opposed to a Greek/Gnostic conception of asceticism and abstinence as virtuous because the body and creation is evil).

            As for various Greek/Hebrew terms in the Bible I must ask, have you studied these languages? There actually aren’t a lot of terms involved (Hebrew: יין ; שׁכר ; תירושׁ ; שׁתה / Greek: οἶνος ; ὄξος ; μεθύσκω, etc) and hence why I said your statements above are selective and hence why I said you have an a priori assumption. You begin with a notion of potential non-alcoholic wine and approach the evidence with this prior judgment. That is problematic and leads you to be critical of clear evidence.

            I do not think that your tone is hostile, and I’m open to honest conversation as you say. But you didn’t respond to my comments on Jesus as a drunkard or John 2.

  19. Tyler

    I think we need to be careful in assuming every time the scripture mentions the “wine” that we assume it refers to the fermented modern interpretation. The word “wine” in the bible is translated from the Greek word “oinos” which was used to refer to both fermented and unfermented wine, which is described as a blessing(Isaiah 65:8). Additionally there are texts which specifically seem to condemn consumption of alcoholic drink (Proverbs 20:1 and 23:29-32). Just something to think and pray about…

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  22. Lee Jones

    For the blessing, you mean Genesis 14:18, not 14:8

  23. Andreas

    I come from Sweden and there have been prohibitionist movements in both Scandinavia and England, even during the reformation in Germany among the Anabaptist movements in Germany, Holland and Switzerland.

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